Curse

bobrath · Aug 16, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Saw these two pics on another board and it got me wondering:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ttaspirits.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...lwtfpriest.jpg

1 - What is the skill he has blacked out in his skill bar?
2 - Why run winnowing and Greater Conflag together?

Just some Qs. Thanks

Epinephrine · Aug 16, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

1 - Because he thinks that his build is just so original that nobody else has thought of it.
2 - Because he's an idiot, or they are for two different setups. But probably an idiot, See point 1.

Paine · Aug 16, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

As you can see, it's a teambuild. Rather a guildbuild. The guild is called XoO. I'd say this guy who originally posted this picture doesn't want to show the secondary professions of his teammates. Not only that, he wants to make us wonder/jealous on the blackouted skill.

I'd say it's:

* An Enchantment
* A Stance
* A Ward

Syno Nym · Aug 16, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

EDIT : sorry I didn't see winter. Missing skill is most probably Mantra of Frost.

Red Locust · Aug 16, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Either that or arcane mimicry, to get oath shot and spam spirits like a madman.

By the way, I don't think the conflagration/winter combo works if winter is applied first, although I could be wrong.

stumpy · Aug 16, 2005, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I think the they intended on putting winnowing up first to add damge to there arrows, then the conflag / winter to change all damage to cold. As for the missing skill who knows ... they are obviously running fur armor so having mantra of frost isnt necessary as they likely already have what 95 or 105 armor?

Stayfrosty · Aug 16, 2005, 05:41 PM // 17:41

its definately arcane mimicry greater conflag is his elite and that doesnt help you much in doin damage so hes grabbin his frields elite as well

Syno Nym · Aug 16, 2005, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Don't forget they have 7 rangers, and they're using QZ. If two of them brought Greater conflag, they really don't need Oath shot to spam. Moreover, look at his skills bar, Greater conflag is almost recharged, which means he's not using Oath shot.

Btw, since there's no monk in their team the hightest their defense is, the better it is, that's why I thought they were running Elemental resistance or Mantra of frost.

MOREOVER look at the second screen, there's a hidden buff, which means his blacked-out skill is either a stance, or an enchantement. Since they're running NR, it's not an enchantement.

Mantra of frost wins.

bobrath · Aug 16, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

DO spirits effects really trigger in the order they are shown in the effects bar?

So if you put winnowing up first, does that increase the physical damage and then Greater Conflag picks up to make it fire damage (followed by winter to make it cold damage). Reading the descriptions (which we all know can be misleading)... sounds like winnowing gets applied after damage hits wheras GC is a bit pre-emptive:

Greater Conflagration {Elite} - Nature Ritual
Create a level 1-8 Spirit. For creatures within its range, all physical damage is fire damage instead. This Spirit dies after 30-126 seconds.
Winnowing - Nature Ritual
Create a level 1-8 Spirit. For creatures within its range, creatures take an additional 4 damage whenever they take physical damage. This Spirit dies after 30-126 seconds.

Neo-LD · Aug 16, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Umm, there is a NR down. And I see no NR on his effects bar. The blacked out skill (at least in his effects bar) is NR. That doesnt mean that thats his skill in his bar, in fact it probably isnt, since he lacks oath shot. Its probably mantra.

But honestly I dont know why he bothered to black stuff out. Its not like he didnt copy it off someone like everyone else did.

Epinephrine · Aug 16, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobrath

DO spirits effects really trigger in the order they are shown in the effects bar?

I don't believe so - I haven't experimented with it, but have heard reports saying that it doesn't matter whether the winter or the GC is cast first, either way all damage becomes cold. Winnowing does not work with GC, as there is no physical damage to augment. Likewise GC makes mark of pain, barbs, healing hands and life bond all useless.

bobrath · Aug 16, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

From the other forum when I suggested Mantra of Frost for his hidden skill:

Quote:

I did not black out Nature's Renewal. I blacked out a very specific skill that is secret XoO tech and I really ever doubt anyone will figure it out. And no, it is not Mantra of Frost.

And if you're wondering about GC and Winnowing, these two spirits specifically don't synergize with each other.

The guy is quite full of himself on the other forums, so I'm taking the above with a grain of salt as Mantra of Frost seems like the perfect compliment to the build.

I do enjoy puzzles.

wolfy3455 · Aug 16, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Its definately not an enchant as there are no up arrows on the party menu when the skill is blacked out on the condition/hex/enchant/stance/ward bar. It wouldn't be a hex as it shows up on his bar as well. It can't be an elite since he already has greater conflag unless he's using arcane mimicry. I would guess its dryders though since it has massive ele resist and dodging.

Although from the look of his skill bar and spirits up and ignoring all other evidence, I would guess the necro is an order spammer and its a qs team with the skill being arcane mimicry. That wouldnt make sense though because orders trigger with physical damage and they aren't using physical.

Neo-LD · Aug 17, 2005, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Storm Chaser?

Syno Nym · Aug 17, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo-LD

Umm, there is a NR down. And I see no NR on his effects bar.

Watch again, there is a NR on his effects bar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfy3455

I would guess its dryders though since it has massive ele resist and dodging.

Hmm yeah that could be this one ! Recast time 30 under QZ, and it lasts 11 secondes, not bad considering how powerful this skill is. I really think you got it. ^^

xAzNx · Aug 17, 2005, 01:31 AM // 01:31

oath shot
Edit: o wait alrdy an elite

cookiehoarder · Aug 17, 2005, 11:20 AM // 11:20

I think it's flare!!!

The whole group is probably running a quick shot build. with 7 rangers they could drop a target like mad.

Neo-LD · Aug 17, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45

But with no TF? Whats the point of QS without TF?

Stuntastic · Aug 17, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Interesting that Nature's Renewal is blacked out in the first pic but not in the second.....

Syno Nym · Aug 17, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookiehoarder

The whole group is probably running a quick shot build. with 7 rangers they could drop a target like mad.

It can't be an attack skill, look at the second screen, it's a buff, wether a stance or an enchantement, but since they're running NR it's most probably a stance.

OR, they didn't black-out a skill in the second screen, they blacked-out... nothing ! Just to make us think it's a stance. And then, they may be running double shot (7*24 + 7*~25 *2 = ~686, not bad for a spike damage).